In the pantheon of early 2000s indie cinema, few scenes have managed to straddle the line between cringe-comedy and genuine tenderness quite like the climactic moment of The Valencia Diversion —colloquially known by fans as the “Ramon kissing scene.”
“You mean kiss Ramon some more? [Laughs] In a heartbeat. I texted Javier [Soto] last week. He’s a theater director in Barcelona now. He said, ‘Tell them we never stopped kissing.’ I think that’s a yes.” The Fan Edit That Changes Everything The most famous fan creation is a 12-minute short titled Más , by YouTuber “Quiet Violence.” It loops the original kiss, but slowly adds layers of audio: a heartbeat, the sound of rain turning into a roaring ocean, and finally, a whispered conversation recorded via AI voice cloning that imagines what Mike and Ramon say after the cut. Mike (AI): “I’m sorry. I don’t know how to do this.” Ramon (AI): “Then don’t. Just stay.” It is haunting. It is artificial. And it has been viewed three million times. A Cultural Reckoning Why do we need to kiss Ramon some more? Perhaps because the original kiss ended too soon. In 2008, queer indie romances were still required to be either tragic or purely comedic. The Valencia Diversion tried to live in the middle—a place of nervous, banal intimacy.
“Absolutely. I used to wince seeing it. But my daughter found the ‘Kissing Ramon Some More’ edits last year. She said, ‘Dad, this is so vulnerable.’ That hit me. I was trying to act passionate . But the director kept yelling, ‘Be worse at it. Be a real human.’ So I stopped acting. I just... kissed a guy I had a crush on in the dailies.” Kissing Ramon Some More
But the internet never forgot it. The phrase “Kissing Ramon Some More” began as a sarcastic Reddit thread in 2019. User @Cinephile_Trash posted a looped GIF of the kiss slowed down to half speed with the caption: “Unpopular opinion: I could watch this awkwardness for an hour. Kiss him some more, Mike.”
“In 2008, every movie kiss had to look like The Notebook —epic, fluid, and obviously choreographed,” Dr. Friel explains. “But the Ramon kiss is different. Mike’s hand shakes. Ramon accidentally bumps noses. They stop to breathe. It’s real . In a post- Fleabag world, audiences crave emotional clumsiness. We want to see people figuring it out in real time.” In the pantheon of early 2000s indie cinema,
Indeed, when you watch the extended cut (available on the recent Criterion release), there is a moment after the cut where Ramon almost smiles. He touches his own lips. It suggests the kiss wasn't a climax, but a question. We reached out to actor Steven Plemons (now 45, star of the hit series The North Water ). Surprisingly, he was eager to talk about the scene that once haunted his resume. Q: You’ve joked in the past that the ‘Ramon kiss’ was the most embarrassing moment of your career. Has that changed?
The first kiss happens in the rain. It is clumsy, desperate, and lasts exactly four seconds. Critics panned it as “performative” and “physically uncomfortable.” Roger Ebert famously wrote that the kiss “had all the passion of two mannequins colliding in a windstorm.” He’s a theater director in Barcelona now
To everyone’s surprise, the post went viral. Within weeks, fan edits appeared on YouTube and TikTok featuring the song “Crush” by Cigarettes After Sex. The hashtag #KissRamonSomeMore has since accumulated over 40 million views.
Why the sudden love for a scene everyone once hated? Dr. Lena Friel, a professor of performance studies at NYU, argues that the scene’s revival speaks to a shift in how we view on-screen intimacy.
The next time you watch The Valencia Diversion , don’t skip the rain scene. Lean into the elbow-jab. Watch the way Ramon’s left hand hovers, unsure of where to land. Listen to the stutter in Mike’s exhale.